According to CNN, the nation’s top immunologist did a webcast interview hosted by the TB Alliance on Tuesday and though he did bear some bad news, he was ultimately optimistic. Fauci went on to explain that “with a combination of good public health measures, a degree of global herd immunity, and a good vaccine—which I do hope and feel cautiously optimistic that we will get—I think when you put all three of those together, I think we will get very good control of this.” As for when we would get control of COVID-19, Fauci was more cautious. “Whether it’s this year or next year, I’m not certain,” he added. “But I think we will bring it down to such a low level that we will not be in the position that we’re in right now for an extended period of time.”

Amid an ongoing surge of coronavirus cases around the world, Fauci also recently said that there was “essentially no end in sight,” during a virtual keynote address for the American Association for Cancer Research. His comments echo those made Mike Ryan, MPH, MB BCh BAO, executive director of WHO’s Health Emergencies Program, earlier this month. During a July 10 briefing, Ryan said: “In our current situation, it is very unlikely that we can eradicate or eliminate this virus.“ae0fcc31ae342fd3a1346ebb1f342fcb RELATED: For more up-to-date information, sign up for our daily newsletter. There has been something of a debate over Fauci’s comments lately, which some have deemed “alarmist.” In a recent Instagram Live interview with Maria Shriver, Fauci pushed back politely on that assessment, saying, “I consider myself a realist, as opposed to an alarmist.” If you want to stay safe from COVID-19, check out 13 Tips From Dr. Fauci on How You Can Avoid Coronavirus.